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	<title>Comments on: You Can&#8217;t Be Selfish with Armor On</title>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.shorelinechurch.net/wordpress/2008/12/17/you-cant-be-selfish-with-armor-on/comment-page-1/#comment-9853</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay!</description>
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		<title>By: Pastor Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.shorelinechurch.net/wordpress/2008/12/17/you-cant-be-selfish-with-armor-on/comment-page-1/#comment-9852</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela,
  Thanks for the comment. It was very kind. I hope to see you when you visit your friends and I look forward to meeting you friend. I also subscribed to your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela,<br />
  Thanks for the comment. It was very kind. I hope to see you when you visit your friends and I look forward to meeting you friend. I also subscribed to your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your series on worship. I found your blog while searching your homepage. Our friends are moving to Hurlburt, they found your church online, asked us to check it out, so I've been combing through your stuff to see who you guys are and what you do.

 As a worship leader, I can testify that selfishness seems to be one of the top detractors of the congregation moving deeper in worship. Not just selfishness on the part of individual church members, but worship team members as well. "We" need to sing this many songs, in this order, in this style, this person needs to be leading, etc. before "we" can "enter in." (It's now evident I like to use "quotation marks" to get my "point across.") But unity in worship, followed by a tangible sense of God's presence, comes when we lay our stuff down and instead focus on a shared vision. This... wait for it... *gulp*... comes largely in part when we submit to the leadership of those leading the service. God has placed them in charge and placed the vision in front of them, and when we submit to that vision and wholeheartedly support it, God blesses that. Even if we ...*bigger gulp*... think we have a better idea of how things should run. (That's when praying for our leadership is key. If our idea is God's idea, He'll give it to them. If not, He has amazing ways of refocusing our attention.)

Thanks for posting your thoughts on all this. It was fun to visit your blog. And if our friends wind up at your church, I'm sure I'll meet you at some point. I mean, heck! They're moving to Florida!!! I told them they better get a house with good guest accommodations, as it will actually be our second home.  =^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your series on worship. I found your blog while searching your homepage. Our friends are moving to Hurlburt, they found your church online, asked us to check it out, so I&#8217;ve been combing through your stuff to see who you guys are and what you do.</p>
<p> As a worship leader, I can testify that selfishness seems to be one of the top detractors of the congregation moving deeper in worship. Not just selfishness on the part of individual church members, but worship team members as well. &#8220;We&#8221; need to sing this many songs, in this order, in this style, this person needs to be leading, etc. before &#8220;we&#8221; can &#8220;enter in.&#8221; (It&#8217;s now evident I like to use &#8220;quotation marks&#8221; to get my &#8220;point across.&#8221;) But unity in worship, followed by a tangible sense of God&#8217;s presence, comes when we lay our stuff down and instead focus on a shared vision. This&#8230; wait for it&#8230; *gulp*&#8230; comes largely in part when we submit to the leadership of those leading the service. God has placed them in charge and placed the vision in front of them, and when we submit to that vision and wholeheartedly support it, God blesses that. Even if we &#8230;*bigger gulp*&#8230; think we have a better idea of how things should run. (That&#8217;s when praying for our leadership is key. If our idea is God&#8217;s idea, He&#8217;ll give it to them. If not, He has amazing ways of refocusing our attention.)</p>
<p>Thanks for posting your thoughts on all this. It was fun to visit your blog. And if our friends wind up at your church, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll meet you at some point. I mean, heck! They&#8217;re moving to Florida!!! I told them they better get a house with good guest accommodations, as it will actually be our second home.  =^)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Wilbanks</title>
		<link>http://www.shorelinechurch.net/wordpress/2008/12/17/you-cant-be-selfish-with-armor-on/comment-page-1/#comment-9829</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Wilbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric...this has been an excellent series. Very well thought out. I know it's tough dealing with these kinds of issues, but I think you've done a fantastic job and, hopefully, these posts will serve as foundational insights for others who are dealing with these issues in their congregations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8230;this has been an excellent series. Very well thought out. I know it&#8217;s tough dealing with these kinds of issues, but I think you&#8217;ve done a fantastic job and, hopefully, these posts will serve as foundational insights for others who are dealing with these issues in their congregations.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.shorelinechurch.net/wordpress/2008/12/17/you-cant-be-selfish-with-armor-on/comment-page-1/#comment-9826</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I would be really interested in your thoughts when you post this. Make sure you let us know when you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I would be really interested in your thoughts when you post this. Make sure you let us know when you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Metcalfe</title>
		<link>http://www.shorelinechurch.net/wordpress/2008/12/17/you-cant-be-selfish-with-armor-on/comment-page-1/#comment-9825</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Metcalfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, when Sandi and I said we felt our spiritual DNA was of the same line that shoreline was in I didn't realize just how deep this ran. But I digress, something like falling out of a window... Oh wait I'm using a mac so I guess I'm safe. 

Anyway, the point I wanted to make here was that we have really been seeing the difference between the service oriented church and the serve-us church and some churches that seem to be stradling that fence. I'll post more on my personal thoughts about this at www.someplaceinbetween.wordpress.com. But suffice to say we have really been discussing this dynamic recently so thank you for posting this. It helps as we learn from what we are experincing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, when Sandi and I said we felt our spiritual DNA was of the same line that shoreline was in I didn&#8217;t realize just how deep this ran. But I digress, something like falling out of a window&#8230; Oh wait I&#8217;m using a mac so I guess I&#8217;m safe. </p>
<p>Anyway, the point I wanted to make here was that we have really been seeing the difference between the service oriented church and the serve-us church and some churches that seem to be stradling that fence. I&#8217;ll post more on my personal thoughts about this at <a href="http://www.someplaceinbetween.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.someplaceinbetween.wordpress.com</a>. But suffice to say we have really been discussing this dynamic recently so thank you for posting this. It helps as we learn from what we are experincing here.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
		<link>http://www.shorelinechurch.net/wordpress/2008/12/17/you-cant-be-selfish-with-armor-on/comment-page-1/#comment-9824</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post on worship!</description>
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